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Thanks! I will have a look. That will at least partly solve the issue. Will it work for any ATIS station enroute as well?

Tried the new one: Started the Launcher, it installed version 1.0.2 Installed the new X-Plane plugin 1.1.1 Restarted PC Did NOT start Launcher Started X-Plane, waited for a minute or so with plane on ground Quitted X-Plane, No issue Checked the log.txt file, there might still be something wrong with the POSCON plugin as it gives a backtrace, but for the user it does not seem to have a negative effect: 0:06:25.945 D/STM: Transitioning from state state_Normal to state_ShuttingDown DiscreetFPS: disabled G64: 386.269: Plugin Disabled. 0:06:25.945 LiveTraffic: Disabled Mon Dec 27 08:16:57 2021 POSCON: POSCON X-Plane Client 1.1.1 Plugin Disabled [POSCON] EETypeRva:0x000FFD70: OperationCanceled at win!<BaseAddress>+0xb5630 at win!<BaseAddress>+0xc7612 at win!<BaseAddress>+0xc75ad at win!<BaseAddress>+0xc2710 StackTrace_EndStackTraceFromPreviousThrow at win!<BaseAddress>+0xb5630 at win!<BaseAddress>+0xb69c1 at win!<BaseAddress>+0xb6964 at win!<BaseAddress>+0x7d2b6 [POSCON] Host destroyed Clean exit from threads. 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: Control response for axis joy_use_ptch: 0.504430 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: Control response for axis joy_use_roll: 0.500000 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: Control response for axis joy_use_hdng: 0.501477 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: Control response for axis joy_use_thro: 0.000000 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: Control response for axis joy_use_prop: 0.000000 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: Control response for axis joy_use_mixt: 0.000000 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: Control response for axis joy_use_view_lr: 0.000000 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: Control response for axis joy_use_view_ud: 0.000000 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: Stability augmentation for axis joy_use_ptch: 0.000000 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: Stability augmentation for axis joy_use_roll: 0.000000 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: Stability augmentation for axis joy_use_hdng: 0.005316 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: Stability augmentation for axis joy_use_thro: 0.000000 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: Stability augmentation for axis joy_use_prop: 0.000000 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: Stability augmentation for axis joy_use_mixt: 0.000000 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: Stability augmentation for axis joy_use_view_lr: 0.000000 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: Stability augmentation for axis joy_use_view_ud: 0.000000 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: UNREGISTER Joystick device: USB ADAPTOR - VID:1949PID:513 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: UNREGISTER Joystick device: WingMan Extreme Digital 3D - VID:1133PID:49671 0:06:25.945 I/JOY: UNREGISTER Joystick device: CH FLIGHT SIM YOKE USB - VID:1678PID:255 0:06:25.945 D/HID: HID Bridge Shutdown ----- X-Plane has shut down ----- Problem SOLVED Thank you very much, Peter

4 hours ago, TimTIM said: I just checked again. An old version of the plugin gets shipped in Launcher 1.0.1 instead of the fixed one as we are busy fixing multiple issues and moving files around. Sorry for the inconvenience. Another update is planned in a few days with this fix and other enhancement. OK, thanks, I look forward to the update.

Hi Andrew and Tim, I gave it a try. First moved the plugin directories back to the plugin directory Started the Launcher, it installed version 1.0.1 With the new launcher a new version of the X-Plane plugin became available, installed that as well Started X-Plane, waited for a minute or so with plane on ground Quitted X-Plane, No issue Checked the log.txt file, seems closing normally. Restarted PC Did NOT start Launcher Started X-Plane, waited for a minute or so with plane on ground Quitted X-Plane, X-Plane hangs Need task manager to close X-Plane Checked the log.txt file, same wrong end as shown above Problem NOT SOLVED Hope you can find the issue. Thank you very much in advance. For the time being will use the workaround, starting the launcher anyhow upfront, even if I do not need it. So the plugin still assumes the Launcher is active when X-Plane is, when trying to close the plugin, which is an incorrect assumption.

6 minutes ago, Andrew Heath said: Hi, please check to see if this is still an issue with Launcher version 1.0.1 Hi Andrew, Can you please explain why a new launcher would solve the issue with the plugin? As indicated in my reproduction template I do not use the Launcher when the issue occurs. And additionally as KSI is indicating when using the Launcher (the old one) the ussue does not occur. That means to me that the plugin expects the Launcher to be active when closing the plugin othewise it does not close. It is a wrong assumption of the plugin that the Launcher is active when X-Plane is active. So how does the new Launcher prevent the problem in the plugin when the Launcher is not started at all?

2 hours ago, Andrew Heath said: I think the idea is that we don't want the ATIS from X-Plane being used if you are connected to the network because ATC may have different information for you. The problem is that the ATIS/ASOS/AWOS we were providing previously had a bug in the system and we had to take it offline indefinitely until such time as we can make repairs. I expect we will have ATIS/ASOS/AWOS working in the next couple of months. Apologize for the inconvenience. Thanks, In the meantime I would prefer a preference setting which mixes in the X-Plane radio sound in to the system on request. For now getting the QNH cloudbase, wind and visibility you have to switch to the weather setting screen which ghosts your connection. There is not much ATC on POSCON so there is not really much alternative.

As reference please see how X-Plane normally quits (without POSCON plugin): 1:15:25.634 I/OVR: User is entering the holodeck. 1:15:27.648 I/OVR: User is leaving the holodeck. 1:15:27.648 I/SIM: User confirmed they want to quit 1:15:27.667 D/STM: Transitioning from state state_Normal to state_ShuttingDown DiscreetFPS: disabled G64:4528.305: Plugin Disabled. 1:15:27.667 LiveTraffic: Disabled Clean exit from threads. 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: Control response for axis joy_use_ptch: 0.504430 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: Control response for axis joy_use_roll: 0.500000 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: Control response for axis joy_use_hdng: 0.501477 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: Control response for axis joy_use_thro: 0.000000 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: Control response for axis joy_use_prop: 0.000000 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: Control response for axis joy_use_mixt: 0.000000 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: Control response for axis joy_use_view_lr: 0.000000 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: Control response for axis joy_use_view_ud: 0.000000 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: Stability augmentation for axis joy_use_ptch: 0.000000 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: Stability augmentation for axis joy_use_roll: 0.000000 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: Stability augmentation for axis joy_use_hdng: 0.005316 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: Stability augmentation for axis joy_use_thro: 0.000000 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: Stability augmentation for axis joy_use_prop: 0.000000 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: Stability augmentation for axis joy_use_mixt: 0.000000 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: Stability augmentation for axis joy_use_view_lr: 0.000000 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: Stability augmentation for axis joy_use_view_ud: 0.000000 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: UNREGISTER Joystick device: WingMan Ext Digital 3D - VID:1133PID:49671 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: UNREGISTER Joystick device: USB ADAPTOR - VID:1949PID:513 1:15:27.667 I/JOY: UNREGISTER Joystick device: CH FLIGHT SIM YOKE USB - VID:1678PID:255 1:15:27.667 D/HID: HID Bridge Shutdown ----- X-Plane has shut down ----- In case of the POSCON plugin there is no " Clean exit from threads" and X-Plane hangs.

1 hour ago, Andrew Heath said: Peter, I am not able to reproduce this issue. Can you please write steps to reproduce and send me the X-plane log and Launcher Client logs? Thanks https://forums.poscon.net/docs/support/faq/technical/#section-335 The LOG (as attached) when it goes wrong at the quit of X-Plane shows the following: 1:43:19.049 I/OVR: User is entering the holodeck. 1:43:24.711 I/OVR: User is leaving the holodeck. 1:43:24.711 I/SIM: User confirmed they want to quit 1:43:24.728 D/STM: Transitioning from state state_Normal to state_ShuttingDown DiscreetFPS: disabled G64:6204.523: Plugin Disabled. 1:43:24.728 LiveTraffic: Disabled Tue Dec 21 17:32:41 2021 POSCON: POSCON X-Plane Client 1.1 Plugin Disabled I do not have any other logs anymore as I already removed POSCON plugin and restarted X-Plane thereafter. It is easy to reproduce in two ways: Prerequisite: Do not start anything of POSCON, no launcher, no UI, no website Start X-Plane, wait a minute or so (do not connect POSCON or do not open its interface, just wait), quit X-Plane via the menu => X-Plane does not exit Start X-Plane, wait a minute or so (do not connect POSCON or do not open its interface, just wait), via the plugin menu disable the POSCON plugin => X-Plane hangs completely After POSCON directories were removed from the plugins directory, the problem was fully solved. Hope you can find it. In some way the POSCON plugin does not close/end when it is requested to do so by X-Plane. Log - NoExit.txt

The latest POSCON plugin can not be closed correctly, when trying to close it, it hangs X-Plane. Closing the POSCON plugin is done by X-Plane itself when quitting X-Plane. Then X-Plane hangs as the POSCON plugin does not close correctly. Finally you need Task manager to close X-Pane. (The effect can also be seen when you try to disable the POSCON plugin from the plugin menu.) This means I removed the POSCON plugin and will only reinstall it when a new plugin is available which solves this issue.

31 minutes ago, Maher Abaza said: Appreciate your input Peter. I will delegate this to the developers responsible for the flight plan form logic to take a look. Hi Maher. You are most welcome.

15 minutes ago, Maher Abaza said: Thanks for the clarification Peter. It turns out this is already implemented! But instead of "VFR", use the letter "V" alone. This is how it is indicated in the official ICAO flight plan form. For future reference, check out the tiny (i) icon next to the item name, it has a brief description on the accepted syntax and values for each field. According ICAO DOC 4444 latest edition 16, of 2016, in appendix 2, page A2-9 at the top, it should be "VFR", not "V" in item 15b. The abbreviation "V" is for item 8. see page A2-4 That is also copied to legally official AIP documents of several countries. So what now is in POSCON flightplan is incorrect, but I will use "V" in item 15 for the time being. Thank you very much for this suggestion.

Please see any AIP, section ENR 1.10 item 15.b

The flightplan should allow "VFR" to be filled in at the Level field. Now it only accepts a set level (A or F) "VFR" is the official indication "for uncontrolled VFR flights" as indicated in the AIP ENR 1.10.3 Can this be corrected?

The X-Plane client takes over the radio channels completely when logged in, also when a radio is tuned to an ATIS frequency. As POSCON does not have active ATIS I would prefer the client mixes X-Plane radio channel voice with POSCON voice. I use ATIS regularly when arriving at an airport. Or is there a setting for it?

In RL aircraft you hear yourself speaking through the microphone when transmitting etc, the intercom arranges that. In X-Plane with the its POSCON client that is not the case, a very strange experience, not hearing yourself in the headset. Should I set something that I can hear myself in the headset when speaking?